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daviddoesntgetit April 9th, 2012, 1:46 am

I’m not a big fan of religion. Specifically fear tactics. I don’t think there’s ever any situation that requires you to make a person fearful, ever.

It’s unbelievable! For me I lost my belief when I realized:

a) If God is so forgiving, why is hell eternal?

b) Hell doesn’t make any sense. Why would he make it?

I just don’t understand why religion would ever instill negative feelings like that.

But from what I learned not all religion is like that, most of it is just, hey, be a cool guy. The ones that are considered more cult like or extremist are the ones that manage to have an emotional stronghold on you.

So maybe I don’t have the most well rounded opinion on religion.

Still.

I suppose I still don’t really know how I feel towards religion, however this was my experience growing up. God-fearing is no way to live.

That was probably the only time I ever felt betrayed for Bernard.

As for that haunted house, we were in Vietnam visiting a rather famous Buddhist theme park and there’s a haunted house that shows all the stages of hell. Even now I can’t understand the appeal of getting frightened.

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RainbowRandomness April 10th, 2012, 3:14 pm

Fucking Hell, and people wonder why I'm not into religion?
I'd like to say I feel your pain or something, but my family is generally not religious, like, at all, apart from my dad's sister who is sending my cousins to a Cathlic school (not sure why, it's all full of shit anyway) and making them learn whatever else.
Sorry, you probably don't want to hear about my rubbish >.<
Cool comic strip as always, although I pity your childhood if it was filled with such horror's.

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daviddoesntgetit April 11th, 2012, 9:54 am

@RainbowRandomness: Hey, man. I'm with you.

Maybe she wants the kids to go to Catholic school 'cause the education's better?

Nah, man. I wrote this comic 'cause I wanted to talk to people about things. I just try to bring up issues and I want to know if people agree or disagree with me and we can just talk about our lives.

Haha, nah. My childhood wasn't that bad.

I'm not interested in religion either but Connor's always there to remind me that regardless of my feelings, I need to show respect to other people. It's important to them, y'know?

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RainbowRandomness April 11th, 2012, 12:16 pm

@daviddoesntgetit: Good to know we're on the same wave length.
I guess, but I've read and watched things that worry me. Although considering, maybe Cathlic school is better for them.
That's cool man, it's a good comic :)
I guess, I don't really say anything when religion is meantioned, in fear of somehow insulting someone if I say anything. If asked my view, I simply say, "I'm not religious and I would prefere if no one tries to change that".

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chocophobia April 11th, 2012, 3:34 pm

I think that people use fear tactics just because it works most of the time, especially with kids, since they don't question anything...

I think the idea is for God to be loving, but people should still realize that he's a higher being than humans.
Even so, like you said, it's kind of hypocritical, like how hell is eternal, while God is supposedly forgiving.

Anyway, my take on religion is that if it gives you something to believe in, great. It does nothing for me personally... I think religion has helped establish a lot of important standards in today's society. However, I think that the world may be better without it, to some extent, today...

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daviddoesntgetit April 11th, 2012, 11:43 pm

@RainbowRandomness: Haha. Don't worry, I understand.

Connor's in anthropology so a lot of it has to do with being a humanist and being sensitive a variety of cultures of lifestyles so he's better at it than I am. He just reminds me that the crazy ones don't speak for all of them.

Yeah, nah. I get it. I also try to avoid talking about religion, haha. Which makes the holidays really awkward.

@chocophobia: Well, there's just a historical precedence for fear tactics in religion.

Haha. I agree. I don't mind others being religious but I just don't want a part of it. Also, pretty interesting, there is a graph out there of 20 countries and they were asked whether or not they thought religion was harmful or beneficial.

The one who thought religion was the most harmful was Sweden and it's an incredibly progressive country. I would like to move there when I retire, haha. Very interesting politics, especially the prison system. Do you know about it?

But yeah. I like Sweden. And I agree with you. Haha.

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chocophobia April 12th, 2012, 2:53 pm

@daviddoesntgetit: That's true. This year in English class, we had to read a famous Puritan sermon, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God." It was pretty funny actually haha.

That's pretty cool actually. I love Europe... Europeans have such different views it's incredible. In health class we watched this movie on how sex is viewed in the US. As a comparison, they talked to some people from Holland, and the parents were like, "Oh yeah, we let our kids do it in the house... I give my kids condoms blah blah..." It's super laid back and I love that.

I just looked up a little bit about the prison system. It said that they give the prisoners education, making it easier for them when they get back out into the real world, to continue their education. Pretty awesome. People need to be productive if they want to stay out of trouble, which means they need to have jobs, which means they need to be educated heh.

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daviddoesntgetit April 12th, 2012, 4:49 pm

@chocophobia: Haha, those puritans.

Yes, I know in Sweden a couple preschools allow children to play with sex toys. And I'm not sure if it's true but if you want to immigrate to Sweden, you have to watch a gay porno first and be ok with it before they let you in.

Miriam was excited about that.

Haha, overall I have no opinion on sex.

Yeah, and they don't have jails either. It's really all about rehabilitation and they actually have the lowest number of criminals committing crime again. Which just goes to show the power of forgiveness.

Makes me think of my family members who have been in jail.

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Mr.sasser April 15th, 2012, 7:53 am

I don't believe in religions, for me theres no logic in it.. But somehow I still belive in ghosts? But that's more because I'm easy to scare xD I think very logically when it comes to religion and sexuality. I'm also against racism, because I see no point in hating people for something that is build on prejudices.

I'm from Denmark, and there it's pretty open, religion isn't really though, because there are so many who isn't religious ^^

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daviddoesntgetit April 20th, 2012, 3:53 am

@Mr.sasser: Wait, is racism a religion now? Haha.

Ah, the Nordic countries. One day I would like to pay a visit.

Haha, Miriam's like that. She doesn't think about religion but she still gets scared about ghosts. So odd.

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Mr.sasser April 20th, 2012, 11:02 am

Sorry for the confusion! ^^,
Not religion but I just don't like that people jugde for prejudices.. Didn't mean it like that, just bad english I think xD

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hyeonmu April 27th, 2012, 7:44 pm

I think some people like getting frightened because of the adrenaline rush.

By attending a Presbyterian church, I've acquired that Hell is a place for sin, since that's the thing God hates. So, Hell is basically the place God will not be, or God's presence will not be felt, since He hates it so much.

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Ya Don't Say (Guest) June 29th, 2012, 6:50 pm

@daviddoesntgetit:
Hey just a Christian reading your comic
I'd like voice my opinions.
a.) God is a loving and forgiving being, but he's also a just being. You will be punished for what you've done. But he gives you a choice whether you want to pay for them yourselves.
b.) Hell was made for Satan and the demons. This was before man had sinned.
I personally don't believe about the how many levels of hell there are. The bible just mentions brimstone and fire.

I'm a protestant and I think the catholic church is totally wrong. I have no idea how you can live like that. To me God is like my father, you obey him out of love and respect.

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A long boring rent, sorry !

Tanuki? April 19th, 2013, 3:38 am

Well, I'm an atheist, like you seem to be. I was raised catholic, went to ..."Bible studies"? you'd say in english, I think (catéchisme in french) every wednesday morning, and to church every saturday or sunday with my father, until the end of junior high.

I don't really remember when I stopped believing in God.
All I can say is that, the almost obligation of having to go to church once a week, and listen to boring things during a hour when I could have been reading the book I had started the day before, or just sleeping the sunday morning off, probably had something to do with my "falling out" with Christianism.
So maybe I just believed in God as kid, because I was a kid and I believed what the adults I trusted told me. And as I grew up, progressively stopped believing in a god; maybe I didn't need it to make sense of the world around me anymore, I don't know...

@Ya Don't Say:
Although my father took us to church, the catholicism he practiced was open minded, quite close to the protestantism of my mother's side of the family.
For my father, going to church was more a question of setting aside 1 hour a week to give to God, it was a question of learning the most important commandmants/principles : "Love your neighbour like you love yourself" & "Love each other like I loved you" (I don't know if the english bible translation is like that, but you surely get what I mean).
It was also a question of learning about Christianism as a religion that molded & informed most of the history and culture of the Western civilization, and quite a bit of the rest of the world.
Lastly he took us to church as a way to teach by example, I think he stopped going so regularly after my youngest sister turned 15, or so.
But I absolutely agree with you : the official positions of the Catholic church are often chockingly intolerant, outdated, out of tune with the world, and often don't seem to profess love for everyone.

My point in the end is:
the harm caused by a religion, or how bad a particular religion or form of religion is, has far more to do with the people who practice it and the way they do so, than the religions themselves.
Because in most religions you can find bits and pieces that defend your point of view or your standpoint, whatever it is -almost-, on anything.
So religions are convenient arguments / excuses /shields, people can hide behind when they do or defend questionable things.

Ok, that was VEERY long, and problably boring. I didn't think I'd have so much to say about religion(s), I apologize about that. But it's an old post. And maybe the new readers won't be bothered by the length of that comment. And you David either.

I hope I didn't offend some of you too much. If I did, I'm sorry.
Most of my friends are atheists, or if they aren't, believe that religion is a very private affair, and our family respect whatever belief or non belief we have, now that we're adults, so the subject doesn't come up often in conversations.
Which is maybe why I have so much to say?

Shutting up, now.